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Jeff Grant on The JustPod, The American Bar Association’s Criminal Justice Podcast

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Jeff Grant’s Remarkable Recovery from Addiction and His Return from Federal Prison, to the Life of the Law

NEW YORK, NY, USA, February 23, 2024. After overcoming a personal battle with addiction to prescription opioids and serving nearly fourteen months in a Federal prison for a white-collar crime, Jeff Grant has emerged with a new purpose. He has founded GrantLaw, PLLC, a law firm in New York City that offers private general counsel services to clients facing or who have previously faced white-collar prosecutions and regulatory proceedings, as well as their companies and families.

Grant’s journey to founding GrantLaw, PLLC has been a long and challenging one. After struggling with addiction and serving time in prison, he has emerged with a new perspective and a desire to help others facing similar challenges. After earning a Master of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary in NYC, he co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc. and the White Collar Support Group (Greenwich, CT), the world’s first support group devoted to people navigating the white collar criminal justice system. He was reinstated to the New York Bar in 2021. With his unique background and experience, Grant is able to provide a level of understanding and empathy that is often lacking in traditional law firms.

Grant recently was interviewed on the JustPod, the American Bar Association’s Criminal Justice Podcast hosted by lawyers Justin Danilewitz and Geonard Butler. “It takes about 3 hours to drive from Greenwich, Connecticut to the Federal Correctional Institution, Allenwood Low in Pennsylvania. Jeffrey D. Grant knows this because he took that drive on an Easter Sunday in 2006. A lawyer whose life has taken a wrong turn on the road to addiction, Jeff Grant left the upscale life he had cultivated in Connecticut to enter what would be his new home for the duration of his 18-month Federal criminal sentence,” stated Danilewitz. He added, ” Jeff was released from custody in 2007 and was able to recover from addiction, obtain a divinity degree, co-found the world’s first White Collar Support Group and found GrantLaw, PLLC, a law firm providing general counsel services to people navigation the white collar criminal justice system and their families and businesses…”

GrantLaw, PLLC is not your typical law firm. It offers a holistic approach to legal services, taking into account the personal and emotional toll that white-collar prosecutions and regulatory proceedings can have on individuals and their families. The firm also offers support and guidance for companies facing these types of legal challenges, recognizing the impact they can have on the entire organization.

According to New Yorker Staff Reporter Evan Osnos, “Jeff Grant is the real deal… I can’t imagine there is a lawyer in this country more qualified to consider the complex issues facing people prosecuted for white collar crimes and their families.”

Grant’s ultimate goal with GrantLaw, PLLC is to help individuals and companies navigate the complex legal landscape of white-collar crime and regulatory proceedings with compassion and understanding. He hopes to use his personal experience to not only provide legal counsel, but also to inspire and support others who may be going through similar struggles.

Grant is member of the American Bar Association, the New York State Bar Association, the New York City Bar Association, the Federal Bar Association, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and the Social Impact Entertainment Society. He is also on the Board of Directors of the Legal Action Center (NYC), is Co-Chair of the American Bar Association Criminal Justice Section Reentry & Collateral Consequences Committee, and is a member of the American Bar Association Advisory Committee on Legal Assistance Programs.

For more information on GrantLaw, PLLC and the services they offer, please visit their website at www.grantlaw.com. Grant is also available for interviews and speaking engagements to share his story and discuss the unique approach of his law firm.

Jeffrey D Grant GrantLaw, PLLC +1 212-859-3512 jgrant@grantlaw.com

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Read The New Yorker article here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/30/life-after-white-collar-crime

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Progressive Prison Ministries/ White Collar Support Group: http://prisonist.org

GrantLaw, PLLC: http://GrantLaw.com

Jeff Grant on Faith, Service and Sobriety: The Cracking Open Podcast with Molly Carroll, Sept. 28, 2023

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“Join us in this week’s episode as we discuss what he has learned along the way about relationships, work ethic, service, God, addiction, prison, and sobriety. This is a deep dive into how to love, tell your truth, and live a meaningful spiritual life in service to others.”

Episode 47: Jeff Grant on Faith, Service and Sobriety

“Over 20 million people are suffering right now from substance abuse, often in silence. This secrecy around addiction creates shame which then increases the addiction, which then increases the shame.

This vicious cycle can only be broken if we first break the stigma of addiction and the silence and shame that perpetuates it. This week’s guest on the Cracking Open podcast is Jeff Grant, and he’s here to do just that.

After a basketball injury, Jeff was prescribed opioids for the pain and thus began his slippery slope into substance dependency. His growing addiction led Jeff down a path filled with secrecy and lies that ultimately caused the loss of his law firm, a suicide attempt, a felony fraud conviction, and a federal prison sentence.

This cracking open moment radically awakened Jeff’s life and soul. After being released from prison, Jeff earned his Master of Divinity, served at an inner-city church in Bridgeport, Connecticut as Associate Minister and Director of Prison Ministries, and then co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc. – the world’s first ministry dedicated to serving people navigating the white-collar criminal justice system.

Jeff’s law license has since been reinstated, and he once again founded a private law practice in New York City where he is committed to using his legal expertise and life experience to benefit others. He also recently celebrated his 21st year of sobriety.

Join us in this week’s episode as we discuss what he has learned along the way about relationships, work ethic, service, God, addiction, prison, and sobriety. This is a deep dive into how to love, tell your truth, and live a meaningful spiritual life in service to others.”

American Bar Association Criminal Justice Section Fall Institute, Washington, DC, Open to All! It’s Free! Fri., Nov. 3, 2023

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Please join us for the American Bar Association Criminal Justice Fall Institute on Friday, November 3, 2023 at the Madison Hotel, 1177 15th Street, Washington, DC. Last year, 15 Fellow Travelers attended this conference together and then we all went out to Carmine’s Italian Restaurant for an evening of camaraderie, stories, laughter – and great food! Let’s do it again! 

I am honored to serve as Co-Chair of the ABA Criminal Justice Section Reentry & Collateral Consequences Committee. – Jeff

Reserve your tickets now: https://web.cvent.com/event/0cc4ea33-bd11-4c71-98a8-66967d69bd2e/summary

Podcast: Jeff Grant on the Beyond the Balance Sheet Podcast, “From Prison to Promise – A Lawyer’s Story,” Sept. 6, 2023

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Please check out my interview on Beyond The Balance Sheet with hosts, Diana Clark & Arden O’Connor of the O’Connor Professional Group – Behavioral Health Navigation. The podcast discusses the important mix of legal and psychological training advisors need to serve their clients best.


Link: https://oconnorpg.com/…/from-prison-to-promise-a…/


“Jeff Grant possesses an intriguing narrative that he candidly recounts. His journey began with opioid addiction and culminated in him borrowing funds from clients’ accounts, leading to his incarceration. Jeff underwent a transformative experience, earning his Master of Divinity degree and successfully reinstating his law license. He now serves as the visionary behind Progressive Prison Ministries and GrantLaw, which is dedicated to aiding individuals convicted of white-collar offenses by providing them with moral support and defense. This episode will be one of your favorites.”


IN THIS EPISODE:
[01:27] Jeff shares his background story from being a successful lawyer to drug addiction and hopelessness ending in attempted suicide
[04:21] Would white-collar crime still have been manifested if it were not for drug addiction? Jeff discusses the motivations of people within the Progressive Prison Ministries
[08:16] Arden asks if financial institutions unintentionally reward people with values that lead them down a white-collar path
[11:45] Jeff discusses life before and after crime and how families cope with life after white-collar crime
[18:24] Jeff discusses what his family experienced and why he started the GrantLaw Firm
[26:27] Jeff gives his advice to anyone who finds themselves involved in a white-collar crime scenario


KEY TAKEAWAYS:
White-collar crime brings down a lot more than just you. It brings down your family, friends, and sometimes an entire community.
Insider trading is a crime of opportunity and a lifetime sentence even after serving time.
Many marriages do not survive white-collar crime, but there is hope, and listeners can contact Jeff’s firm for advice.


BIOGRAPHY
After an addiction to prescription opioids and serving almost fourteen months in a Federal prison (2006 – 07) for a white-collar crime (SBA loan fraud) he committed in 2001, Jeff started his reentry – earning a Master of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary in the City of New York, majoring in Social Ethics. After graduating from divinity school, Jeff was called to serve at an inner city church in Bridgeport, CT as Associate Minister and Director of Prison Ministries. He then co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc. (Greenwich, CT), the world’s first ministry dedicated to serving people navigating the white-collar criminal justice system.


On May 5, 2021, Jeff’s law license was reinstated by the Supreme Court of the State of New York. On August 10, 2023, he celebrated 21 years of continuous sobriety.


Jeff has founded the law firm of GrantLaw, PLLC, is once again in private practice in New York City and is committed to using his legal expertise and life experience to benefit others.


GrantLaw, PLLC, is a new type of law firm providing private general counsel services to clients who have previously faced or who could be facing white-collar prosecutions and regulatory proceedings and their companies and families. In this role, Jeff and his team assist clients in making critical and timely business and family decisions and in executing them so that they have the best chance to come out the other side with lives of purpose, meaning and success.


“Jeff Grant is the real deal… I can’t imagine there is a lawyer in this country more qualified to consider the complex issues facing people prosecuted for white collar crimes and their families.” – Evan Osnos, The New Yorker.

Video: Jeff Grant Interviewed on the Financial Clarity with Hannah Smolinski Podcast. Aug. 2, 2023: “From Law Practice to Prison and Back Again.”

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Jeff Grant is the Founder of Grant Law, a unique firm committed to providing private general counsel services for individuals and families dealing with white-collar prosecutions and regulatory proceedings. Following a personal journey that included overcoming addiction and serving federal prison time for a white-collar crime, Jeff emerged with a renewed sense of purpose and direction.

After reentry into society, he earned a Master’s of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary and co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, the world’s first ministry serving individuals in the white-collar criminal justice system. With his law license reinstated by the US Supreme Court of the state of New York, Jeff leverages his legal expertise and life experiences to benefit others, an effort that has landed him features in notable publications like Forbes, Entrepreneur, and Business Insider.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

• Jeff Grant shares the story behind his addiction and prison time and how he bounced back

• Jeff’s advice to those in legal trouble due to improper use of Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL) loans

• What surprised Jeff during the investigative process of his case

• Why is it crucial to have a support group?

• Why Jeff did not expect to have his law license reinstated

• Jeff’s plan for his new law firm, Grant Law

• How did Jeff’s past turn into his differentiating factor?

• Jeff’s advice to anyone starting a small business from scratch

In this episode…

In the high-stakes world of law and finance, missteps can lead to drastic consequences. How do professionals pick themselves up after such fallouts? Can a tainted reputation ever be restored?

Jeff Grant, a successful lawyer, found his world turned upside down when he was convicted for a white-collar crime. He lost his license and spent 14 months in federal prison. But this was not the end for Jeff. Remarkably, he rebuilt his life post-incarceration, earning back his law license and turning his past mistakes into a springboard to help others in similar situations.

In this episode of the Financial Clarity podcast, host Hannah Smolinski engages Jeff Grant in a riveting conversation about resilience, redemption, and making the most out of second chances. They discuss Jeff’s life pre- and post-prison, his journey to regain his law license, and how he founded a support group for white-collar criminals. Jeff shares insights on overcoming stigma, navigating the legal system post-incarceration, and leveraging past mistakes as a unique selling point in his new law practice.

Jeffrey D. Grant, Esq.

GrantLaw, PLLC

GrantLaw. com

jgrant@grantlaw.com

(212) 859-3512

Podcast: Jeff Grant on the Nightmare Success Podcast with Brent Cassity, May 25, 2023

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Staff writer, Evan Osnos, for the New Yorker Magazine described my guest Jeff Grant this way,

“Jeff Grant is the real deal; he’s candid and generous with his wisdom. I can’t imagine there is a lawyer in the country more qualified to consider the complex issues facing people prosecuted for white collar crimes and their families.”

Incredible quote and could not be more true. Jeff was a high flying successful New York real estate attorney. He became addicted to prescription opioids after a tear in in his Achilles tendon playing basketball. HIs life when into a dark spiral from dipping into his clients escrow accounts to creating loan fraud with a government SBA loan. He lost his law license and eventually received a 14 month sentence in Federal Prison. What he did with his life after getting out of prison is nothing short of remarkable and inspiring. He became an ordained minister earning a Master of Divinity from Union Theological Seminary, majoring in Social Ethics. After graduating from divinity school , Jeff was called to serve at an inner city church in Bridgeport, CT as associate minister and Director of Prison Ministries. He then co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, the world’s first ministry dedicated to people navigating the white collar criminal justice system. On May 5, 2021, Jeff’s law license was reinstated by the Supreme Court of the State of New York. On August 10, 2022 he celebrated 20 years of continuous sobriety. He is now committed to using his legal expertise and life experience to benefit others. He is the founder of the first national White Collar Support group with over 700 members nationwide. Jeff is vulnerable and real with how he leads us through his journey of overcoming and being set free to find and serve his passion. A true nightmare success story!

Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nightmare-success-in-and-out-guest-jeff-grant/id1588287560?i=1000614452639

The New Yorker: Life After White Collar Crime, by Evan Osnos, Aug. 2021: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/30/life-after-white-collar-crime

Progressive Prison Ministries website: https://prisonist.org

GrantLaw, PLLC: https://grantlaw.com

My Book: Nightmare Success (Amazon, Barnes&Noble)
Website: brentcassity.com

Watch on YouTube: Nightmare Success Brent Cassity:

Entrepreneur: 9 Things to Know when Hiring a White Collar Criminal Defense Lawyer, by Jeff Grant, Esq.

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Hiring a defense attorney is a monumental task, and most are monumentally unprepared for the effort.

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By Jeff Grant, Reprinted from entrepreneur.com, Sept. 7. 2021

Hiring a white-collar defense lawyer is a monumental task — and one that most entrepreneurs and businesspeople, even those who are sophisticated legal consumers, are monumentally unprepared to do.

I should know.

I’m a lawyer and entrepreneur who became addicted to prescription opioids and served almost 14 months in federal prison for a white-collar crime.

I was disbarred, and then step-by-step, lesson-by-lesson, I worked my way through the ordeal.

On May 5, 2021, my law license was reinstated by the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Here are some takeaways I learned from over three decades of experience on both sides of the legal system:


1. You are in trauma, whether you know it or not


Your entrepreneurship, intellect and survival skills have betrayed you. You are in pain, and will do — and pay — almost anything to make the pain go away. You’ve probably been looking over your shoulder for a long time. It’s normal to be terrified; who wouldn’t be?


Practice point: no matter what you do, the pain is not going away any time soon. Beware of anyone who tells you differently.


2. Long-term plan instead of short-term relief


You know this, but you are probably in fear of what you think is the worst thing that can happen — prison. Prison is not the worst thing that can happen—the worst thing that can happen is not having a comeback story. Keep your eye on the prize. That is, a carefully and thoughtfully constructed long-term plan for health, purpose and prosperity for you and your family. It’s okay (in fact, it’s vital) to give yourself the time and space to step back and make good, thoughtful decisions. You are in the desert, and it will be a long journey to the promised land.


Practice point: This is a marathon, not a sprint. Pace yourself.


3. Your brother-in-law probably knows nothing about hiring a white collar defense lawyer…


…Neither does your dentist, haircutter or almost anyone else. Everyone around you is most likely offering “well-intended advice.” And maybe already picking at your bones. But, there is dependable professional help out there in the form of private general counsel with specific experience in the intricacies of white collar defense and all of the other legal, business, family and emotional issues you are likely to face.


Practice point: These are shark- infested waters and a great general counsel can help you navigate them.


4. There is very little chance that your case will go to trial


Over the past two decades, less than two percent of white collar prosecutions have gone to trial. This means that whether a “trial lawyer” has spent much of the last twenty years as a prosecutor or as a criminal defense attorney, they probably have no (or very little) white collar trial experience. But, we are stuck in an old paradigm where we think we need a trial attorney to swoop in and save the day. This might happen on television, but it almost never happens in real life.


Practice point: Are you suffering from Perry Mason syndrome? Get real, and fast.


5. Ever wonder why lawyers have such fancy offices?


Do you want to pay for expensive overhead (maybe you do) or for excellent lawyering? Isn’t it more important to find out if you and an attorney have a great connection, and can work together? Has your defense attorney taken the time to really understand you and your family, your back story, all of your issues, and your life goals?


Practice point: Are you sure these are the professionals you want to trust with your life?


6. Your criminal defense budget


Your criminal defense lawyer can’t do it all; you’ll need a team. Your defense attorney’s job is to marshal the best resources in order to make a persuasive presentation to the prosecutors, to the probation officer at your pre-sentence investigation, and to the judge.  How much of your criminal defense budget/retainer will be allocated for experts (forensic accountants, investigators, mitigation experts, medical experts, etc.) to give a complete and accurate picture of you, your family and your side of the facts?


Practice point: Make sure you fully understand — and approve — the plan and budget up front.


7. Outside your criminal defense budget


Your issues are most likely way bigger, and more complicated, than just your criminal matter. How much of your overall budget will be allocated for other attorneys and professionals (business attorneys, tax attorneys, bankruptcy lawyers, family law, civil litigation, estate planning, accountants, etc.)? How much of your overall budget will be allocated for other obligations (restitution, fines, forfeiture, taxes, antecedent debt, alimony, child support, etc.)?


Practice point: Your defense attorney’s job is to get you the best sentence — they will probably not help you balance other important issues that need to be addressed. 


8. Does your spouse/significant other need separate counsel?


In a word, yes. Or at least, probably. You’ve been shouldering this thing alone for so long, it’s hard to be a good partner again. Believe it or not, your spouse’s interests are probably not fully aligned with yours. They have their own body of rights that deserve professional attention.


Practice point: Tell the truth, don’t tell your spouse/significant other that everything will be “okay.”


9. Out of isolation and into community


You don’t have to go through this alone. Believe it or not, there is a rich community of people who have been prosecuted for white collar crimes, and their families, who want to give of themselves freely to help you.


Practice point: Don’t be afraid to reach out, join a white collar support group and benefit from the experiences of those who have been there before you.


Jeffrey D. Grant, Esq.

GrantLaw, PLLC, 43 West 43rd Street, Suite 108, New York, NY 10036-7424

(212) 859-3512, jgrant@grantlaw.com, GrantLaw.com

A purpose-driven attorney.

Jeff Grant is on a mission. After a hiatus from practicing law, he is once again in private practice and is committed to using his legal expertise and life experience to benefit others.

Jeff provides a broad range of legal services in a highly attentive, personalized manner. These include private general counsel, white collar crisis management, strategy and team building, services to family-owned and closely-held businesses, and support to special situation and pro bono clients. He practices in New York and on authorized Federal matters, and works with local co-counsel and criminal defense counsel to represent clients throughout country.

For more than 20 years, Jeff served as managing attorney of a 20+ employee law firm headquartered in New York City and then Westchester County, New York. The firm’s practice areas included representing family-owned and closely-held businesses and their owners, business and real estate transactions, trusts and estates, and litigation.

Jeff is admitted to practice law in the State of New York, and in the Federal District Courts for the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York. He is a member of the American Bar Association, the New York State Bar Association, the New York City Bar Association, and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

 

Jeff Grant’s full bio: https://grantlaw.com/bio

Progressive Prison Ministries website: https://prisonist.org

Linked In: https://linkedin.com/revjeffgrant

 

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Podcast: Jeff Grant on the UnYielded Podcast with Bobbi Kahler, Mar. 30, 2022

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Jeff Grant is a member of our White Collar Support Group that meets online on Zoom on Monday evenings.

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Reprinted from bobbikahler.com, March 30, 2022

“Life is full of unexpected twists and turns. Also, Life can be fraught with numerous drawbacks. However, regardless of what happens, the most critical aspect is rising again. My guest for today has a life story that is worth discussing. After developing an addiction to prescription opioids and serving nearly fourteen months in federal prison (2006–07) for a white-collar crime committed in 2001 while working as a lawyer, he began his reentry by earning a Master of Divinity in Social Ethics from New York City’s Union Theological Seminary. After graduating from divinity school, he was invited to serve as Associate Minister and Director of Prison Ministries at an inner city church in Bridgeport, Connecticut. He later co-founded Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc., the world’s first ministry solely dedicated to white-collar crime. Jeff Grant, Private General Counsel/White Collar Attorney at GrantLaw, joins today’s episode to share the insights he has learned on his journey from prison to calling.”

Listen on Apple Podcasts

 
https://embed.podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-prison-to-calling/id1529949199?i=1000555708423

Show Notes

Jeff’s First Life – Jeff tells his journey of various twists and turns, none of which he could have predicted would result in such a great life.

Being Sober – Jeff discusses what he believes helped him stay sober when everything seemed to be collapsing around him. Isolation and Community – Jeff provides a comprehensive explanation about his saying, “Isolation damages us, and the answer is community.”

Comeback Story – Whatever the worst-case scenario occurs in our lives, we must have a story of redemption. Jeff explains how he assists someone is preparing to write their comeback story.

Jeff’s advice – Jeff delivers some suggestions for individuals who self-sabotage on how to move ahead.

Resources

Connect with Jeff: Jeffrey D. Grant, Esq., GrantLaw PLLC, GrantLaw.com, jgrant@grantlaw.com, 212-859-3512. LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/revjeffgrant Website: grantlaw.com

The New Yorker: Life After White Collar Crime, by Evan Osnos, Aug. 2021:  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/08/30/life-after-white-collar-crime

Entrepreneur: 9 Things to Know When Hiring a White Collar Criminal Defense Lawyer, by Jeff Grant, Esq., Sept. 2021, https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/380464

Reuters: Why Lawyers in Trouble Shun Treatment — at the Risk of Disbarment, by Jenna Greene, November 2021, https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/why-lawyers-trouble-shun-treatment-risk-disbarment-2021-11-09/

#1 Most Viewed Insight on Bloomberg Law: Lawyers, Watch Out for These Five Signs of Addiction, by Jeff Grant, Oct. 2021, https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/lawyers-watch-out-for-these-five-signs-of-addiction

Business Insider: A lawyer who went to prison for 9/11-related fraud just got his law license back, and became an ordained minister along the way, by Peter Coutu, July 2021: https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-grant-lawyer-prison-minister-disbarred-911-law-license-reinstated-2021-7

Reuters: Jeff Grant ‘Let Go of the Outcome’: How this Felon Beat Addiction and Won Back his Law License, by Jenna Greene, May 2021: https://www.reuters.com/business/legal/i-let-go-outcome-how-this-felon-beat-addiction-won-back-his-law-license-2021-05-21/

American Bar Association Criminal Justice Magazine, “A Rising Tide Lifts All Boats: Progressive Diversion & Reentry,” by Jeff Grant and Chloe Coppola, Spring 2021: https://grantlaw.com/american-bar-association-criminal-justice-magazine-springp21-issues-a-rising-tide-lifts-all-boats-progressive-diversion-recovery-by-jeff-grant-chloe-coppola-2/

The Philadelphia Inquirer: Steal Money from the Feds? First, Meet Jeff Grant, an Ex-Con who Committed Loan Fraud, by Erin Arvedlund, Oct. 2020: https://www.inquirer.com/business/sba-loan-fraud-jeff-grant-white-collar-week-crime-bill-baroni-20201018.html

Forbes: As Law Enforcement Pursues SBA/PPP Loan Fraud, A Story Of Redemption, by Kelly Phillips Erb, July 2020: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/07/14/as-law-enforcement-pursues-sba-loan-fraud-jeff-grant-talks-redemption/#7a4f70cc4483 

Entrepreneur’s #4 Most Viewed Article of 2020: I Went to Prison for S.B.A. Loan Fraud: 7 Things to Know When Taking COVID-19 Relief Money: by Jeff Grant, April 2020: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/350337

Greenwich Magazine: The Redemption of Jeff Grant, by Tim Dumas, March 2018: https://greenwichmag.com/features/the-redemption-of-jeff-grant

Bobbi’s Takeaways I hope that you enjoyed that conversation. Here are my 3 insights for thriving:

1. Have some ritual that centers you everyday. Jeff talked about feeling 1% off when he wakes up which is why he goes to an AA meeting every day. I’d never thought about it quite that way, but recently I started a guided meditation practice. If you’ve listened to the podcast, you know that this is something that has felt like a struggle for me. But, I founded a 12 minute guided meditation where I can move around and do stretches, etc. but it is focused on calming the mind and really feeling movement. A few weeks ago, I started doing this every morning upon rising. It’s been super valuable. This past weekend, for some reason, I skipped both Saturday and Sunday and I noticed that today I wasn’t feeling quite as grounded and centered. So, I did my meditation today and things feel more centered. When Jeffrey said that the 1% mis-alignment wasn’t bad but if you let it go on and on pretty soon, you are way out of alignment and not centered at all. It was a good reminder that having a routine that helps me be centered everyday is a great practice.

2. If you are going through something challenging, it is helpful to have a team of people around you who have been there and who understands where you are now.

3. Embrace healthy conflict as Jeff calls it. To me this means being willing to discuss the undiscussable, and to have the courage to bring up things EARLY, before they become a crisis and while they are still small enough to deal with. On an earlier episode, Josh Freidman used the analogy of dealing with things while the train is still in the station – not once it’s worked up a full head of steam.

 

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